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The left is more racist than the right. Change my mind.
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of course they are, they don't think blacks can get i.d.s, have internet access or know where the dmv is
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Or do we have any actual statistical analysis to back up this assertion?
Even analysis of the behavior of elected officials would be more accurate and indicative of real life trends than those 2 videos.
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Alternate definition:
"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
If we're using one of the above definitions, then I would say that, historically speaking, the right wing has demonstrated in thought, words and actions, a considerably greater amount of racial prejudice against minorities.
There is one very glaring outlier in the modern era, namely when Roosevelt rounded up tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans and imprisoned them during WW2. The decision to do this grave injustice was based more on emotional arguments than any evidence that Japanese Americans were plotting any attacks on the United States.
The historical evidence paints a very compelling picture of political conservatives passing discriminatory laws and sanctioning racist actions against minorities. In fact, the very passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was enough to cause a schism in the Democratic Party, and much of what used to be known as "The Solid South" (Southern "DIxiecrat" Democrats) switched in protest from the Dems to the Republicans in response to Nixon's "Southern Strategy", because Democrats in the North, East and West condemned their support for segregation and Jim Crow laws.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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If you are talking about the general left and right political thought in the world, then neither is inherently racist. The left is about collectivism, while the right is about individualism, and neither of these in itself suggests that there is any qualitative difference between races.
I suppose it is easier for the left political thought to manifest in racism, since collectivism considers large groups of people, as opposed to individuals, and a race describes one of the possible groups - this would explain why the most vicious racial discriminations in human history were done by totalitarian socialist governments. The right political thought, I suppose, also can arrive to racism due to its inherent self-focus and dismissal of the value of others, although it requires quite a bit of mental juggling to discriminate against certain races while not being against your own race as well on the grounds of self-centeredness.
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Like I said, these terms are wide and ambiguous and everyone defines them differently. I base my characterisation on the collectivism/individualism dichotomy, and all other characterisations I have seen were very inconsistent.
Some define the left as advocating for demolition of hierarchy and equalisation of individuals' role in the society, with the right advocating for a traditional hierarchical societal organisation. But I find this separation misleading, as hierarchy and equality are not mutually exclusive; for example, a lot of groups of people try to achieve equality through introducing various regulations, that themselves reflect a certain hierarchy of needs of various individuals.
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First of all, Texas and Florida are American states, while Puerto Rico is a self-governing territory, so of course they were treated differently after the hurricane. Second, All American states are taken care of when something happens, not just the traditionally Republican ones. Lastly, Texas and Florida have some of the largest relative Latino populations in the US, and that apparently does not have any effect on how much they are helped. I do not see any racism in any of this as such.
You are also wrong on many counts with regards to your other statements. For example, statistically married women prefer the Republican party, while single women prefer the Democratic party - refuting your statement on the "female pets".
And "other races don't like racists"? This is a very naive statement. Travel to any African, or Arabic, or developing Asian country. Racism there will make your skin crawl, especially since this time around it will be directed at you and not at other people whose interests you claim to represent.
Nobody likes racists against their own race, but many people do not mind racists against other races. Some of the policies of what you call the American "left" led, for example, to Asians being strongly disadvantaged in many school admission processes, but nobody seems to worry about it, since, again, Asians do not represent a major fraction of the American left.
As @Oppolzer@ noticed, on the left people see ignoring the plight of racial minorities as, in itself, racism - but it does not reflect the dictionary definition of the word. By that word, I would say that racism is just as prevalent among Democrats as it is among Republicans, although it may take slightly different forms. But, as the Asian admission scandal shows, Democrats are just as quick to dismiss the racial problems as Republicans are, whenever it is politically convenient.
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I have always disliked that double axis classification, because it assumes that the x-axis and the y-axis are independent. I would argue that it is impossible for the society to be individualist and, at the same time, feature strong governmental control over economy. How can individuality express itself when the government only leaves one set of rails for it to travel on?
I think that economical and social restrictions both come from the same place - the desire for the collective to trump over the individual. That is why I see individualism vs collectivism as the core, the most fundamental distinction. Every observable social or economical effect can be shown as reflecting either individualist or collectivist thought, or sometimes a mix of both - but the opposite is not necessarily true.
Now, I do not think necessarily that individualism is better than collectivism; I prefer individualism in general, but both can take ugly or beautiful forms. For example, Somalia is extremely individualistic, because everyone is on their own, and it is a terrible place to live in. On the other hand, Japan is very collectivistic, but I loved every single second there. North Korea is collectivistic, and I would not move there no matter what. The US is individualistic, and I love this country.
However, it seems to me that collectivism offers a better platform for horrible ideologies. Horrible individualistic ideologies are not very sustainable, as they clash with the interests of all other individuals and cannot survive for long: if I decide that it is my right to eat anyone I want alive, then I will probably be stopped almost immediately. But if I decide that we should all group up, take the rakes and go after the riches of our king, then my proposal is probably going to gain a lot of traction, and the proposed act will be quite viable. Collectivist ideologies can recruit large groups of members and overtake the society, and then only grow in size due to the wide support they now have - while individualist ideologies can only survive if they are not at strong odds with many individual members of the society.
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Meanwhile, take a look at what's happening right under their noses...the independents are the largest voting block of them all.
And that's because the moderates on both left and right are sick of the tribalism. To most of them, a little bit of mild collectivism and individualism would be refreshing right now.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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By the way, that is also why some of the most right wing totalitarian dictatorships in history adopted tags like "socialist". They knew that putting on that label would attract large crowds of low information worker bee types who could be easily manipulated with emotional appeals to populism and scapegoating, and controlled through fear.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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First, Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States.
Second, Puerto Ricans have been citizens of the United States since 1917, and enjoy freedom of movement between the island and the mainland, and despite not having a vote in the United States Congress, which governs the territory with full jurisdiction under the Puerto Rico Federal Relations Act of 1950, Puerto Ricans are still given the right to vote for the Presidency as well as their non-voting Congressional representative, and the right to vote in their own local elections.
But as full citizens of the United States, they are AMERICANS, as American as you and I are and therefore should never be treated differently with respect to natural disasters. Sorry but any argument to the contrary is invalid and inadmissible.
Next, let's take a look at how California is being treated with respect to the recent rash of wildfires.
President Donald Trump is currently withholding federal disaster funds from California. His claim is that California’s “gross mismanagement of the forests” was the cause of 2018’s deadly wildfire season and therefore he feels justified in withholding the money however around 60 percent of forested land in California is owned by the federal government.
Wildfires don’t stop at jurisdictional boundaries, so a unified federal-state approach is the only way to properly protect lives and property.
In January 2017, he issued Executive Order 13768 which attempted to ensure that they are “are not eligible to receive Federal grants.” The order was deemed to be an illegal overreach in a 2 to 1 decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals last year.
Trump’s 2017 tax bill reduced taxes for himself, other very wealthy people, and corporations, but included provisions that favored Trump states over Clinton states. By greatly reducing state and local tax deductions, the bill actually increased the tax burden for many in states like Illinois (where Clinton beat Trump 55% to 38%), California (where Clinton won 61% to 31%), New Jersey (where Clinton won 55% to 41%) and New York (where Clinton won 59% to 37%).
And when asked what a possible second term for Trump might look like, Steve Bannon said:
“You’re going to get pure Trump off the chain. Four years of Donald Trump in payback mode.”
Payback mode? I'd love to know what to call what we've been seeing up till now.
To many, it sounds like Trump is punishing both Puerto Rico AND California, and practically ALL "blue states" because he sees them as "disloyal" states.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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And Trumps "forest mismanagement", where they should have "raked their leaves" is probably the stupidest statement ever made by a POTUS!
I guess Maine is constantly engaging in "mismanagement" then. Maine is about the size of the rest of New England put together. If EVERY person in New England was put to work raking leaves there, they wouldn't get HALF the state done before the leaves fell again! Mismanagement?
We have an idiot living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.! One who cares about NO ONE, but himself!
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Sounds like you're under the impression that I was excusing his conduct re Puerto Rico.
LOL, I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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Oooh nooo. You were doing so well too. Right up until you claimed nazi Germany was an extreme right-wing ideology. At best, that argument is such a generalization, it's only vaguely accurate. At worst, it's plain and simply wrong because the nazis were socialist, and their views of "genetic health" stem directly from progressive ideology. The only thing the nazis had in common with "right-wing ideology"(seems like an oxymoron, huh) is nationalism.
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Here's George Orwell, reviewing an English translation of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" in March 1940, as German bombs are falling on Britain:
Hitler’s values – radical inequality, the fostering of a tiny elite, belief in ancestral notions of nationhood and racial purity – were values of the far right, not the egalitarian values of socialism or liberalism. Before attaining dictatorial power he allied himself with political conservatives, he had a fan club of conservatives outside Germany, he was largely funded by union-hating big business that saw him as the man to smash the socialists, and he was appeased internationally in part because of misguided conservatives who thought him a worthwhile ally, though foolish left-wing pacifists were also part of the problem. It is simply absurd to place Hitler anywhere other than on the authoritarian far right of the political spectrum, just as on similar evidence it would be absurd to call Stalin a capitalist, for Stalin belongs on the authoritarian far left.
If the Nazis were socialist because they described themselves as such, then North Korea is a democratic republic.
And by the way, it looks like these "very fine people" wound up at the wrong political rally, because it was the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, VA on August 12th, 2017.
If they're about uniting the Right, then what are a bunch of socialists doing there in support?
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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I'm sorry, but the argument that "socialism was only part of the nazi party name, but they weren't actually socialists", is categorically false from top to bottom. The nazis were open and proud socialists, and they implemented socialist laws, and nothing about their program was meant to seem caring. Unlike what many in the West believe, the nazi party was not a reaction to communism, it was a reaction to capitalism. joseph goebbles was well read in Marx and Engels writings, and he agreed with them and he made absolutely no effort to hide that fact. He was known to quote them both, with the greatest of ease. He had a vehement hatred of capitalists, and he called them "the money pigs of capitalist democracy". The nazis hugest gripe with communism was that is wasn't communist enough. They thought communism was hopelessly hung up in matters of economics, while it totally ignored social matters. They (The nazis) felt that beyond economic collectivism, a strong centralized government was needed to implement a social collectivism, and that's where the communists fell short.
More than half of the 25 point nazi party program called for socialistic economic laws to be implemented, and it calls for a strict rejection of capitalism. Point 13 of the Nazi party program called for the nationalization of all corporations. Point 14 called for profit sharing of large industrial enterprises. Point 15 demanded generous development of state-run old age insurance. Point 16 called for the immediate socialization of huge department stores. Perhaps the original name of the nazi party was the German workers party, but nothing in that name says it cannot, or was not a socialist party. In 1921, the nazi party entered into negotiations to merge with the German socialist party. The negotiations fell through, but an obvious commitment to socialism is apparent none the less.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
In a speech in 1927, hitler ranted,
"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions".
I'm sorry, but there exists no solid evidence that hitler "detested socialism", but there are mountains of evidence that says that he loved socialism. If socialism was a cute fury kitten, hitler would probably have cuddled it, and nursed it with his supple breasts.
In the words of joseph goebbles, which could easily have come straight out of the communist manifesto.
"Money has made slaves of us". "Money is the curse of mankind".
And another quote.
"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.
The nazis did indeed nationalize all German corporations, and implemented profit sharing in all large industries. They made profits made from loans illegal. They set the prices of all goods sold, and they set the wages for all workers. None of this seems like anything but socialism. Yes, they may have let the owners and upper management of these companies keep their place in their respective company, and they were expected to run the day to day aspects of the business, but since the nazi government set the prices, and workers pay, they effectively set the profits for the businesses.
In light of the aggressive socialistic economic and social laws the nazis enacted, it can only be argued that regardless of what the personal feelings of socialism was with top nazi officials, the economic and social laws they implemented were unquestionably socialist. So even though you could not provide convincing evidence that hitler hated socialism, if I were give you the benefit of the doubt on that point, still every law, and every action the nazis had in place and implemented, they did so as a socialist country. John Lennon was a self proclaimed communist, but he was one of the wealthiest rock stars the world has ever known. Whatever his feelings were on capitalism, he was a capitalist in every way, shape, and form. The reverse is true for the nazis. Some may come from the mind frame that if it's not red square totalitarian communism, then it must be some form of capitalism. I assert that is profoundly false, and the truth is, if it's not New York city in the 18th century-win or die capitalism, then it must be some form of communism.
It's also no secret that the nazis view on genetic health was not original. The idea of genetic health was a gross misinterpretation of Darwin's theory of evolution, but the nazis embraced it 30 or 40 years after the progressives had come up with it. Germany was at the cutting edge of medical ingenuity, and all the best doctors world wide, couldn't have been considered the best, unless they had spent some time studying in Germany. Of course, the largest traffic between cross border doctor trips, was between Germany and the US. What the progressives had implemented in philosophical thought when it came to genetic health, the German medical community had implemented on the surgical table.
The only thing that can be associated with right-wing ideology, or republicanism, is the nazis embrace of nationalism, which truth be told, nationalism was not considered a conservative, or right-wing ideology, it was just a deep love of ones country, so much so, that they believed it should be less a country, and more an empire. The truth is plain for all to see, the nazis were insanely collectivist, they feverishly embraced progressive eugenics, and they were most certainly, vommit inducingly socialist. Without Question!!!!!!!!!
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